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thehumanthings @ 08:33 pm: lesbianism in liberal islam
hi,

what is the view of Lebianism in moderate / liberal Islam? nothing in the kor'an about it. thanks

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From:hushdawg
Date:February 23rd, 2010 11:31 pm (UTC)
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Homosexuality in and of itself being the sexual attraction to members of the same gender is not prohibited in Islam.

However, acting upon this urge and committing homosexual acts IS prohibited in Islam.

The Islamic response to this is that all of us are given challenges to overcome in order to purify ourselves, for those with homosexual urges the jihad (spiritual struggle) is to overcome this and focus on the path of Allah (SWT).

It is recognized that homosexuals are naturally inclined toward this sexual preference just as it is recognized that some people are obsessed with sex, become nymphomaniacs, etc... each is a different sexually related jihad. Other people may have an obsession with money or jewelry or other desires which supersede worship of Allah. All of these things are part of jihad and must be dealt with in a spiritual manner.
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From:southernbrother
Date:February 26th, 2010 05:24 am (UTC)
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assalamu alaikum,

I'm in agreement mostly with the first comment but I just had to comment and say that Muslims must understand that Islam should not have adjectives to it. For example liberal islam or moderate islam. there is no such thing as liberal or moderate islam, there is only islam. once you open that door what is stopping others from entering it? if people want extremist islam or angry islam or whatever.

Islam means submission, to add an adjective like liberal just doesn't make sense with the word. neither does the adjective reformist. just think about it "liberal submission" or "reformist submission" ... not really submission anymore eh? :)

Also since you asked the question in light of the Quran.

We also (sent) Lut: He said to his people: "Do you commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you? For you practice your lusts on men in preference to women; you are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds. (Quran 7:80,81)

In Islam we don't only have one source for laws, morals etc. for laws there are four sources and for morals ethics etc. generally 2: the Quran and Sunnah. The Quran is clear that approaching the same sex is lewdness and that the people of Lut were punished severly for that.

And like the first commentor said, people may have these inclinations but they are just like other inclinations people have towards sex, money, or anything else that they must overcome as they are 'those who submit' (muslims).

And Allah knows best.

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From:hushdawg
Date:February 27th, 2010 09:02 am (UTC)
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JazakAllahu Khairoun for that comment on the non-adjective Islam.

I despise labeling Islam in any way; as a convert I am frequently asked "what madhab do you belong to?" which I think is a bid'a.

I feel that the great Imams should ALL be studied and appreciated.

So I tell people that must have lables I'm a Muhammadian Muslim... I follow the Islam that Muhammad (SAWS) taught and nothing else.


BTW Southern Brother.... where do you hail?

I'm a Carolina boy m'self!
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From:southernbrother
Date:February 27th, 2010 09:19 am (UTC)
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wa iyyak,

I'm from Mississippi but right now am in Pakistan, came here to study Islam. I plan on returning to the US after I finish up here in sha Allah. Are you in south carolina? if so then maybe you know shaykh 'Adaly?
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From:hushdawg
Date:February 27th, 2010 04:24 pm (UTC)
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Nah, I'm from North Carolina; right now I'm living in the Philippines but we plan to move back to NC in a couple of years.

Insh'Allah maybe we can meet up in the future. I know Khalil Akbar, he's a great brother in the Muslim community in Charlotte. I don't know Sheikh Adaly.

ma'salaam
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From:slim_ivory_rose
Date:February 27th, 2010 01:54 pm (UTC)
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In the UK the term moderate Islam is used to differentiate it from fundamentalist or extremist.

I'm not saying its right or wrong, but that's just the way it is. If you want to change it better speak to some of your UK brothers and sisters.
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From:southernbrother
Date:February 27th, 2010 03:10 pm (UTC)
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it is unfortunate that in some places (or some instances) we do have to resort to using an adjective. this has generally spawned from our inability to act as one ummah, but Allahu knows best. however we should use hikmah when asked, "what group do we belong to?" and answer in a way that destroys the concept of groups existing in islam. just my 2 cents.
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From:hushdawg
Date:February 27th, 2010 04:27 pm (UTC)
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There is a subtle danger to this.. because Muslims did not invent the term "moderate Islam" it was non-Muslims who did.
The media and Neo-Con politicians in America and Europe are constantly defining the term "moderate Muslims" or "moderate Islam" and thereby making Muslims believe that if they are NOT extremists that they should be conforming to this ideology.

It is a way to manipulate the Ummah from outside in a very subtle fashion; but it works.

Better for us to say that terrorist organizations claiming to act on Islamic values are acting outside of Islam and move on rather than adopting the labels that non-Muslims have created for us.
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From:thehumanthings
Date:February 28th, 2010 06:18 am (UTC)
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i was meaning moderate islam as in the type of teaching that doesnt result in blown up tubes and busses (ie a perversion of the faith)
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From:hushdawg
Date:March 1st, 2010 02:15 am (UTC)
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Oh I completely understood what you meant by it. I'm just lamenting the fact that we, as an ummah, have been forced into a position of having to define our faith in such a manner.

We SHOULD be able to simply say "Muslim" and then have those who pervert the faith be recognized readily as "extremists" or "Deviants."

There are many factors as to WHY we've been reduced to this; most of them lie squarely on the shoulders of the ummah itself.
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